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The Great Lakes PY's came about because the RYA system was too slow to adjust to the many changes in various fleets, e.g. the carbon rigs added to certain classes, lightening of hulls, etc. but the PY's didn't change.
The PY's were taken from all the sailjuice series events to create a more accurate PY list for those types of events.
Over the years the RYA system has changed quite a bit because of this system and is now getting up to speed and the numbers are moving more towards the great lakes numbers.
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08/01/2016 21:20:51
Chunky
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Andy,
Those 'Great Lakes' clubs are a group of lager lakes that sought a revised number set to suit their type of sailing waters. As you might expect, faster boats are mostly penalised a little as they can stretch their legs and slower boats that are more suited to the nip and tuck on smaller ponds may have a more favourable number.
I believe they do use them (or an approximation there of)) for their general racing too. However, as per the RYA PYs all clubs are recommended to adjust numbers to suit their locality, so they may operate independently too.
A few other clubs adopt the GL numbers too - one is StarcrossYC, with their 'Steamer' on the 17th Jan, as they find those numbers suit their water better than the RYA PY.
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08/01/2016 00:30:00
Peter Barton
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06/01/2016 21:21:51
Peter Barton
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Thanks for the link to the Great Lakes handicap information. It's the first time I've heard of it, and haven't made it to any of the Winter Series events yet. Do these clubs use the same information for their own handicap racing, and do any other Aero clubs make use of them? Our (small) club uses the published Portsmouth Yardsticks which seem to work OK across the small number of different classes we usually have racing.
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04/01/2016 19:44:25
Andy Butler
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PHOTOS by Tim Olin.
Check them out, there are some great action shots! https://www.flickr.com/photos/48594582@N05/sets/72157662967860942/
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04/01/2016 16:41:55
Peter Barton
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The Oxford Blue Overall
From the 121 starters our lead RS Aero 7s were 11th, 14th and 17th and the first RS Aero 5 was 33rd. RS Aeros were spread throughout the results suggesting the Great Lakes PYs used for the SailJuice series to be about right relative to other classes. After last winter's cautious initial handicap numbers I think we can be pretty happy with 'about right'!
Full overall results of The Oxford Blue can be found here;
http://gjw.sailracer.org/eventsites/content.asp?id=44185&eventid=203845&templ
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From the 121 starters our lead RS Aero 7s were 11th, 14th and 17th and the first RS Aero 5 was 33rd. RS Aeros were spread throughout the results suggesting the Great Lakes PYs used for the SailJuice series to be about right relative to other classes. After last winter's cautious initial handicap numbers I think we can be pretty happy with 'about right'!
Full overall results of The Oxford Blue can be found here;
http://gjw.sailracer.org/eventsites/content.asp?id=44185&eventid=203845&templ
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04/01/2016 11:24:45
Peter Barton
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Andy,
The SailJuice Winter series are run off the 'Great Lakes' handicap numbers which give;
RS Aero 9 = 1031, RS Aero 7 = 1059, RS Aero 5 = 1101
as opposed to the 'RYA PY' numbers which give;
RS Aero 9 = 1030, RS Aero 7 = 1065, RS Aero 5 = 1105
An explanation of Great Lakes numbers is here;
Different method and different data, but it produces very similar numbers which is encouraging
The RYA PY numbers are produced just in time for the UK Dinghy Show each year, which is normally the first weekend of March.
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04/01/2016 11:20:59
Peter Barton
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I see that the Aero 7s were sailing off a yardstick of 1059 at Farmoor. Is that the local figure, or an indication of what we can all expect for 2016? I haven't seen any RYA figures for 2016 yet - they are published in February aren't they?
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04/01/2016 08:05:19
Andy Butler
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UK WINTER CHAMPS - RESULTS & REPORT
Well done to everyone for braving the wet and windy forecast for a fun day on the water.
Results (RS Aero extracted and Oxford Blue overall) and Report here; http://www.rsaerosailing.org/index.asp?p=results&rid=3198Reply
03/01/2016 22:49:21
Peter Barton
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Last call for the Winter Champs!
We have mainly '7' rigs entered so far with a flurry of '5's too - but it could all change at registration, although with the likelihood of a good medium breeze maybe it won't.
The forecast is still great; 'windy side of medium' - fresh but not frightening, little chance of rain and a tropical 11'C...you can not ask for much more than that!
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The RS Aero entry has now surged up to 24! Just two more needed to beat last years entry...
The forecast is still great; 'windy side of medium' - fresh but not frightening, little chance of rain and a tropical 11'C...you can not ask for much more than that!
Load up over New Year and enter here to escape having to take the Christmas decorations down;
Detail and links here;
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30/12/2015 02:02:09
Peter Barton
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18 now entered, can we beat last years 25? That would be incredible!
The forecast looks fine - nothing extreme to cause concern! Likely moderate medium breezes with little chance of any rain and a mild 7'C. You can confirm rig sizes at registration so no need to leave entry to the last minute waiting for the forecast.
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28/12/2015 13:23:23
Peter Barton
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WINTER CHAMPS - Oxford, 2nd Jan
This event was a gigantic success last year with 25 RS Aeros enjoying great racing. There are 3 races with starts split into similar classes so it is a great value big day out. What better way to burn off some Christmas excess with some fresh air and activity RS Aeroing at Oxford first thing in the New Year! Time to get those entries rolling in!
Full info and advance online entry;
http://enter.sailracer.org/events/enter-series-mobile.asp?eventid=203845
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22/12/2015 21:34:21
Peter Barton
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RS Aero UK Winter Championships 'The Oxford Blue'
Oxford Sailing Club, Farmoor
Saturday 2nd January 2016
In 2015 we had 25 RS Aeros entering this event - incredible just six months after the first delivery! Come and join the fleet for some great racing at the start of 2016...
Registration; from 09:00am
Briefing; 10:00am
Warning signal; 10:55am
Format; Three handicap races
Entry fee; £20
NOR; http://events.sailracer.org/eventsites/noticeboard.asp?eventid=203845
- Very central location for everyone!
- 3 handicap races
- The handicap fleets are split, so we are on a startline with similar speed boats
- Average lap racing is used minimising waiting time in between races
Full info and advance online entry;
http://enter.sailracer.org/events/enter-series-mobile.asp?eventid=203845
This event is also Round 3 of our RS Aero UK Winter Series, Notice of Series here; http://www.rsaerosailing.org/index.asp?p=documents
A great way to commit to getting out of the house and working off some festive indulgence! With 3 races and the fleet split into starts with similar boats this event offers a great day's racing and is very centrally located.
[last year this event reached its 140 boat limit, this year the entry will likely be full before the event].
This event (and several others in our RS Aero UK Winter Series) form part of the national 'GJW Direct Sailjuice Winter Series'.
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15/12/2015 17:41:19
Peter Barton
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