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I fitted the 'White Collar' Deck Ring to Aero 1141 late last year.
I didn't clean-up or make good the existing wear on the gel coat before fitting it.
 
Prior to fitting I had been using 250 uM ptfe 'Friction Tape' on my masts collars; doing this greatly reduced the rate of wear on the gel coat, but they did have to be inspected & replaced regularly; about annually.
 
I had just replaced the whole, 9, 7, 5, set when the new deck ring arrived.
As a precaution I kept the Friction Tape on the collars until:
    Dave Rickard ruled use of a similar Laser Tape to be out of class.
    I capsized the 7 on launching.  When righted the inboard end of the boom
    discharged a load of sand and mud onto the deck straight down into the mast
    tube.  That totally ruined the tape in just one day's sailing.  
    As Dave R has commented. 
    And I noticed the 9 mast had substantially greater resistance to turning,
      i.e. gybing in light wind the boom wasn't going right across.
 
My 9 collar would seem to be slightly larger o/d than the 7 & 5.
 
The tape has been off for some 4-5 months now; during which all 3 rigs have been sailed, extensively.
 
The 9 mast 'groans' under pressure.
 
There are now scratch marks on the inside face of the deck ring, and around the full depth of all masts collars; so clearly the gelcoat is still being rubbed.
 
However:-
 
There is still a lip, < 1mm, about the thickness of my fingernail, all around the lower inside edge of the deck ring and the gelcoat lining the tube.
 
So any scratching of collars and gelcoat below the level of the deck ring is contained.
 
When I checked, coincident with Richard Bentley & Marleckin's comments of mid July, I found what appeared to be clear evidence of further gel coat abrasion in the form of a ring around the gelcoat corresponding to the lower part of the mast collar.
 
I cleaned the boat, including the mast tube.
 
The ring disappeared, turned out it was the fine material from collar on deck ring abrasion deposited on the gelcoat, and until cleaned looking for all the world like gelcoat wear!!
 
If you see this I suggest you 1'st clean the mast tube.
 
At the time of fitting the deck ring I took photographs of the mast tube.  I would now have to take some more and compare in order to be certain that the gelcoat is still wearing; albeit if that is the case then I am certain at a much slower rate than without it!!
 
I hope this helps. 
 



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30/07/2018 11:20:00
Jonathan Rickels
Posts: 104
I too have the new retro deck ring fitted. When the mast is unloaded, it moves freely within the deck ring. However, when loaded up, up wind or down it then seems to bind and groan loudly as the mast rotates within the ring, as the previous post described.
It seems well made, and I believe it is fitted as instructed. One factor may be that my mast ring can rotate on the mast although it doesn't move up or down. 



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17/07/2018 20:26:00
Marleckin
Posts: 3
I fitted the new deck ring at beginning of season, but it doesn't do any good
still wears the gelcoat inside the mast pot. But at least the screws haven't pulled out like the last one! 



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13/07/2018 07:43:00
Posts: 0
I have fitted the mast pot ring to my older #1035 Aero. It seems to hold the mast off of the gelcoat. However the 9 mast base that originally came with the boat makes an interesting groan downwind on a jibe. It reminds me of movie sound effects of three masted pirate ships. It is loud enough for fellow sailors to hear. 


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12/07/2018 16:07:00
neilray
Posts: 19
I fitted the new deck ring at beginning of season, but it doesn't do any good
still wears the gelcoat inside the mast pot. But at least the screws haven't pulled out like the last one! 



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12/07/2018 07:21:00
Posts: 0
I fitted the new deck ring at beginning of season, but it doesn't do any good
still wears the gelcoat inside the mast pot. But at least the screws haven't pulled out like the last one! 



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11/07/2018 07:56:00
Posts: 0
The new retrofit deck ring has now been available and used for a while so what is the experience? Is it working? Or are there problems with this one as well, just like the first incarnation?


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10/07/2018 19:34:00
birgerg
Posts: 4
So what is the experience so far of those that have fitted this?  Is it worth it?


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30/03/2018 11:39:00
Andy Butler
Posts: 19
AndyG, 
Check the Instructions here
You may be lucky but it is perhaps unlikely they will match precisely enough as it is important to ensure that the part is well centered on the pot.
 
Questions to RS Customer Support [email protected] 



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21/01/2018 23:42:00
Peter Barton
Posts: 4676
so just checking, do the new screws positions match the original screw positions ?


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21/01/2018 15:22:00
AndyG
Posts: 10
Deck Ring (Mast Pot Collar) Retro Fit  
Jim (Junior) at RS Customer Support has confirmed that the Deck Ring (Mast Pot Collar) Retro Fit is now ready and available. This is for the earlier boats without the black deck ring pre-fitted into the deck. 

RS have dispatched them to those who have had one on order and there is now a stock at RS available to order.

I saw one being fitted last weekend (pictured).
They look good and come with some detailed fitting instructions.

Order here
 
 



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19/01/2018 17:02:00
Peter Barton
Posts: 4676
AndyG, 
I was in touch with Jim (Junior) at RS Customer Support today. He confirmed the situation was the same as his update mid Nov and that progress remains on track;
'prototype parts are being tested....receiving feedback....expecting to be producing the part in early 2018.'
 
Contact RS Customer Support for more detail and to reserve the deck collar. 



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14/12/2017 18:22:00
Peter Barton
Posts: 4676
is there any definitive result from this new piece, my boat is coming back in the garage soon for some winter fix-ups, and i'd like to fit this new piece if its working.?


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09/12/2017 15:49:00
AndyG
Posts: 10
Thanks Jim.
cheers,
Ron



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14/11/2017 02:53:00
RonF 'Delphine'
Posts: 28
Hi RonF
 
Fill the existing holes with thickened epoxy.
 
20 people have received the prototype parts. 8 of them have told me they are installed and 2 of those have given me feedback regarding its performance. 
 
I'm expecting to be producing the part in early 2018.
 
Kind regards
 
Jim 



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13/11/2017 10:42:00
Posts: 0
Hi, two related issues for advice please:
(1) How should I repair the two screw holes next to my mast step.  I received one of the initial design deck rings which screwed into the deck with two screws one each forward and aft of the mast step.  These pulled out in one session of sailing (stiff winds on Port Phillip Bay), and cracked the surrounding gelcoat.
  I plan to grind out the cracked gelcoat with a dremel tool, mask up the surrounding area, paint the repair area with runny epoxy to get into any remaining cracks, wipe back, fill the drill hole with a short length of hardwood dowell (pressed down below level of the gelcoat), then fill the top with a mixture of West System epoxy, West 403 (colloidal silica) and a bit of titanium white mix on top to match the gelcoat.  Once hardened, cut back flush to the desk with a hair sharp chisel.
  Open to suggestions if I'm doing anything wrong here. 
(2) How is the new mast step retrofit design going?  I've seen the latest design on Andrew's boat (AUS 1194), which does look the goods, but I am reluctant to  fit this until testing is completed, given previous experience of the initial deck ring retrofit.
Thanks in advance,
Cheers, Ron F 'Kelpie' AUS 1189 



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09/11/2017 22:55:00
RonF 'Delphine'
Posts: 28
Hi All
 
So after several failed attempts we have produced a small number of parts for testing. See image below. Its my plan to get it wet at Garda this week and those that I have been in contact with before I will send one to you for your appraisal. If feedback results in only minor tweaks then we could have full production by mid December. Please ask questions via [email protected] and mark it for my attention.
Kind regards
 
Junior
RS Technical Manager 
 



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02/10/2017 17:30:00
Posts: 0
I suggest you ask RS; [email protected]


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01/10/2017 18:44:00
Peter Barton
Posts: 4676
Thanks Junior   -presumably those of us who bought older retrofit rings and have been waiting for this update will be able to swop them for the updated model 


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10/07/2017 15:44:05
haimark
Posts: 41
Hi All
 
A small update on this.
Things are happening. I tested a MK5 prototype last week and we are zeroing in on a device that will work. Some Beta Testing will start in the next few weeks. Once this feedback has been returned we can crack on with a production solution.
 
FYI the part Jae ordered was the current spec deck ring not the retrofit item. He is returning it to us for a refund.
 
Best regards
 
Jnr 
 
 



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10/07/2017 15:36:42
Posts: 0
Jae. Have a look down this thread to the RS Support comment. Nothing has changed since then as far as I know. RS advice is don't fit it while they work out what is happening. Not sure why they shipped it to you!


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08/07/2017 21:52:08
David-at-BroadwaterSC
Posts: 42
Hi, I just ordered a ring on Friday, with the screws shown on spares list, all delivered the next day - today. Brilliant!! Thought I would check on the forum to see if I need to mount it with something like sikaflex as well, and have seen this thread. Can anyone shed any further light on this subject please? Fit or not to fit.....that is the question.... Jae 1120


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08/07/2017 21:03:26
Jae
Posts: 5
Placed a purchase order for that one month ago.
no information on the website about quarantine
still waiting for the item to be delivered and absolutely no new from RS....
 
 
 



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07/07/2017 07:28:46
Obo
Posts: 19
I'm also waiting - so you are not alone!


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27/06/2017 21:03:21
David-at-BroadwaterSC
Posts: 42
So no news then... How many have fitted it and have there been problems... I bought mine but decided to follow that advice to wait until the gremlins had been sorted


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27/06/2017 20:55:40
haimark
Posts: 41
Any news on this yet... I have the ring, no screws and I await the latest instructions....


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23/06/2017 19:16:47
haimark
Posts: 41
I have fitted the retro deck ring, with good result, as the gel coat had worn through. The fitting arrived with instructions and long screws which work okay


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16/05/2017 19:09:20
Mark1654
Posts: 13
Thanks Junior, that sounds like a very positive step. It would be very helpful if you could share some photos once you're satisfied you have the right product.


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16/05/2017 17:35:14
Andy Butler
Posts: 19
Hi All 
 
The Aero Deck Collar is a new part that that has thrown up a few issues for us. It looks like what we designed and intended is not what has been supplied.
 
I've put the first batch of parts into quarantine whilst I work through my normal Root Cause Analysis. Please hand me a bit of time whilst I get on and solve the problem / work on a solution.
 
I will contact owners who have purchased the ring directly with my intentions / instructions shortly.
 
If you have purchased a Collar from us and would like to speak to me directly please drop me a line on [email protected]
 
If you have purchased a ring and have not fitted it yet please hang fire and await instructions. 
 
Thank you for your patience whilst I get on with navigating this bump.
 
Best regards
 
Junior
 
RS Technical Manager 
 
 



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16/05/2017 10:43:35
Posts: 0
Probably the best solution for white collar boats is to leave as it is. And once a year (just after or before new season) to renovate it with RS Gelcoat AeroWhite - its so easy. And the main - no need to drill any holes. Just sand with paper and clean with acetone the place where is the wear , prepare small cup of Gelcoat, take small piece of sponge or brush and touch-paint thick layer . Of course its better to cover deck with tape around the mast hole and avoid scribbling deck that way. When new Gelcoat is ready (hardened) sand it little bit to smooth to avoid scratching the mast collar, as new Gelcoat layer made with sponge or brush will be rough little bit. Its possible to put additional drop of Catalyst to get Gelcoat harder and more wear resistant. That's it - enough till next season ! Well-tried !
 



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15/05/2017 13:17:27
Aero-LTU
Posts: 5
RS recently retrofitted the deck ring on my Aero. Unfortunately it lasted only two sails before the shortish screws pulled out a week ago. I suggest anyone wishing to fit this part gets the latest advice from RS. 


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12/05/2017 21:11:12
Paul W-A
Posts: 6
I hope the retrofit deck ring option will be a good long term solution for white collar boats, avoiding the need for periodic touching up after wear.  
 
Gareth - my understanding is that the insert thickness of the plastic is just 0.3mm, so not compromising one design.
 
I think Russell's interpretation of the screw dimensions is correct.
 
Questions and feedback to RS should be sent to [email protected] 



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12/05/2017 19:14:54
Peter Barton
Posts: 4676
Doesn't this reduce the amount the mast can move so effectively reduce rake upwind and the amount the mast goes forward downwind or is the insert so thin you can't tell (just adds plastic to avoid wear?


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12/05/2017 14:01:06
Gareth
Posts: 170
I would interpret 10 X 3/4 as 0.75 inches long, 10 gauge screws.
 
I'd check with RS before you buy screws/
 
Russell 



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12/05/2017 13:25:37
Russell
Posts: 16
How tight a fit is this new part?  Does it fit into the top of the mast socket to prevent movement?  If not, I guess there would be excessive load on the two screws.  Can anyone share a photo?
 
 Also £25 for the part plus Sikaflex and screws is excessive for something that addresses a shortfall in the design of the early boats.



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12/05/2017 12:56:45
Andy Butler
Posts: 19
same here  -Just rang RS - despite what it says on the web site - they say that the screws are a separate part and we should have ordered them - I am dismayed to read that the ones they send me are possible going to be too short - I guess this is still a part being "developed"  .. One hopes they will respond to "feedback"


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12/05/2017 10:51:01
haimark
Posts: 41
Be aware:-
 
Have just received the retrofit deck ring.
 
It doesn't come with the screws mentioned in the fitting guide.
 
The screws shown in the parts list, item 11, are for holding down the later boats sunken deck ring.  These are shown as 10 X 3/4, I guess that means 10 mm shank length X 3 or 4 mm dia?
 
These will probably be too short for the retrofit deck ring!!
 
The deck flange on mine is nearly 10 mm thick, whereas the item 12 later boats deck ring flange is half that 5mm.
 
RS can you please specify & make available the holding down screws for the retrofit deck ring?
 
Better still: why not supply a complete kit? 



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12/05/2017 10:16:36
Jonathan Rickels
Posts: 104


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