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Home >> RS Aero Class Rules - Queries >> Class Rules queries from 2017
06/01/2018 12:24:00

David Rickard
Posts: 42
A question has been asked - whether a watch which has features including displays showing distance to start line, burn time to start line, and upwind tack lift/header information, is allowed under class Rules. 

This watch cannot be used/worn while racing because these feaures are not included in the permitted list in C.5.1 (a) and (f).

Happy new Year everyone
David Rickard




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11/11/2017 16:20:00

David Rickard
Posts: 42
Hi Niel
 
EVERYONE PLEASE NOTE:  IT IS NOT PERMITTED TO HANG ANOTHER BLOCK FROM THE GOOSENECK (or anywhere else) AND LEAD THE OUTHAUL THROUGH IT .  This is only permitted for the vang line.
 
As I said "we have taken on board and appreciate your comments. We will speak to various sailors and look at boats to evaluate this further. If it is determined that there is a problem, it will be discussed to determine the best solution."
 
As you have acknowledged, RS, Jo Richard's and the committee are constantly reviewing all aspects of the boat, talking to sailors, and making changes where appropriate.  We continually work to provide the best experience and boat.  Please leave the conspiracy theories and any other negative emotions off this forum.  This is a friendly class and we treat everyone with respect.
 
As an aside, some of us were using over the deck tidy systems, outhaul shock cord, etc since before the nationals in Weymouth (several years ago) and have tested them over a long period. 
 
David




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07/11/2017 12:35:00

Neil
Posts: 26

hello David

Thank you for your reply. However extensively any boat is tested there is surely no way RS could simulate a few years of wear from sailing several races a week, and I don't think anyone would expect them to have.

Lots of Aero's now run the control lines over the deck and not under the gunwale & round the bow, and some have have added shock cord to pull the outhaul off. Some do not run the outhaul and kicker through the gooseneck fixed pulleys but go through blocks hanging from them etc. etc. (this last modification provides less friction and is a technical advantage) 
 
RS have introduced the deck mast collar on boats from 1740ish and newer to solve the wear issue and are now trying to provide a reto fit solution for older boats. I noticed at the Southampton Boat show that the main sheet base/front of the toe-strap fitting is totally different on new boats now, compared to my 1743.  
There are probably other RS modifications I do not know about as they seem to  still be developing/improving the boat. 
 
If these changes are allowed by RS and individual owners, it doesn't seam to make sense that changing a double block to two singe ones, with no change in purchase and therefore no technical advantage is not allowed, with in the rules.
 
It strikes me that there is either an inconsistent interpretation of the class rules, or the class rules need a bit of a rewrite, as a basic common sense approach seems to be missing.




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04/11/2017 17:59:00

David Rickard
Posts: 42
Gareth, Neil and Bill,
 
A great deal of care and time was taken developing the boat and its fit out.  It was also tested extensively.  I have not had the problem you refer to.  However, we have taken on board and appreciate your comments.  We will speak to various sailors and look at boats to evaluate this further.  If it is determined that there is a problem, it will be discussed to determine the best solution.
 
Have a great weekend
 
David 




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11/10/2017 13:20:00

Gareth
Posts: 124
Isn't this what we have a technical rep for?
 




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10/10/2017 22:33:00

Bill Tucker
Posts: 4
Class rule changes are controlled by the class constitution. I don't know if this is the latest version but I found this
 
 In short I believe that class rule changes are made by a Special Resolution of the Class World Council  (CWC) which requires a 2/3 or more by the members thereof.
 
The simplest way to get a resolution before the CWC is to get a  member of the CWC to propose it - slightly longer winded is to get National Class Association to propose a resolution to the CWC and there is a procedure for that. CWC members are broadly: 1 rep per National Class Association + Pres, Class Manager (Peter Barton), Jo Richards, RS Sailing Rep, Chair of the Tech Cttee, Finance Officer...
 
The CWC meets annually (I'm guessing usually at the worlds) or a special meeting can be demanded by 10 National Class Associations.
 
RS Sailing and Jo Richards (designer) have a veto in any event if they disagree with a proposal so you need to get RS Sailing on board in any event before trying further.... 
Enjoy! :-) 
 




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10/10/2017 19:10:00

Neil
Posts: 26

 Gareth

See if you can see anything in the class rules on the documents page

All I could find was: A.7 CLASS RULES AMENDMENTS

A.7.1 Amendments to these Class Rules are subject to the approval of World Sailing and LIC in consultation with the ICA.

Which  doesn't really get you far!.
 
What seams strange to me is that compared to early boats the rules must have changed to allow stuff like a centre swivel main block and jammer, which you can now retro fit. This is a way bigger change than your issue of 2 single compared to one double block.
 
 




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10/10/2017 09:32:00

Gareth
Posts: 124
How do we solicit a rule change? Is there a mechanism to suggest a change? (Specifically the double pulley interpretation that you cannot use two single pulleys).




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10/10/2017 08:15:00

Neil
Posts: 26

Re interpretation of Rule C.6.1.4  "using parts obtained from any supplier provided that the replacement is placed in the same position and is a like for like basis being similar size". 

I think this rule should be rewritten if the class wants David's explanation of it to be used: 

"... being similar size".  Similar in the English language means
"having a resemblance in appearance, character, or quantity, without being identical" . 
Therefore the rule is specifically saying the block can be replaced with one that is NOT identical size. It would be fair to say similar would mean that it should be the next available size up or down.
 
"like for like" I agree would suggest that it must be replaced with a double block.
 
BUT using the word "parts" rather than "part"  suggests that the double block can be replaced with more than one part -  ie 2 single blocks.
Compare  "using parts obtained from any supplier"  with "using a part obtained from any supplier" . I suggest the latter wording would limit a change to a double block but the former does not.
 
As a more general point why are the rules trying to be so tight. Don't other classes just specify the maximum pulley advantage on a control line.  
 
For those who have changed to 2 single blocks and end up being protested you may be interested in RRS 2017-2020 Rule 64.3(a). It may save your race result but only the first time! 
 




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03/10/2017 23:56:00

murray.irwin
Posts: 10
I changed mine to single pulleys - same purchase - just prevents the wear I was getting. I think a rule change should be considered. 
 
 
 




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03/10/2017 11:52:00

Gareth
Posts: 124
David,
I looked at several boats at the nationals and all seemed to have wear on the block. It works but it would be much better if the pulleys aligned. What is the process for getting a rule change suggestion in?

Yes it is rigged as per the diagram.  I was wondering about changing the strings that hold the pulley to try to force a better alignment but that would probably not be exactly as per diagram. The starboard side has a single pulley which aligns nicely to the rope direction but the double pulley gets twisted by the tension to align wrongly. Even in that official diagram you can see it.
 
 




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03/10/2017 11:30:00

David Rickard
Posts: 42
Hi Gareth
Thanks for your query.  The lines and blocks must be rigged as shown in the Rigging Manual (Rule C.6.1.1), which Peter has helpfully posted in his reply.
 
Rule C.6.1.4 says that you can replace the double block  "using parts obtained from any supplier provided that the replacement is placed in the same position and is a like for like basis being similar size".  In otherwords it must be a double block of 18mm diam but can be from any manufacturer. 
 
Has anyone else had a problem with undue wearing on one side of this block?
 
Hope this helps.  David
 




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03/10/2017 10:28:00

Peter Barton
Posts: 2264
Gareth, 
 
Just checking, is your downhaul rigged like this? 




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03/10/2017 10:14:00

Peter Barton
Posts: 2264
Posted by Gareth; 

Rules question replacing blocks 

Is it legal to replace the double pulley (lower part of downhaul) with two single pulleys. I see lots of wear on the port side pulley as the block never aligns properly to that side. It always aligns more to the starboard rope. Two single pulleys would align properly (no change in the purchase).
Two questions:
1. Could I use two single pulleys?
2. If no to 1. do I have to use the exact double pulley supplied or could I use one that leads the ropes in slightly better directions?

If no to either or both could I suggest the technical rep/rules folk examine this suggestion to allow in the future.




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19/07/2017 16:05:48

David Rickard
Posts: 42
Hi All
 
Unfortunately, I am not going to be able to make it the Worlds.  Alex Newton-Southern will deputise for me from Sunday-Tue and Matt Thursfield Wed-Fri. I have agreed a measurement check list with Alex and Peter.  
 
Have a  great and enjoyable regatta and best of luck to all
 
David 




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14/07/2017 10:19:44

David Rickard
Posts: 42
Hi Neil
 
Thanks but the answer is in my post of 10 July.  Further, a dry/powder coating (however, it is described) is not a polish.  You cannot use a lubricant or anything other than a generally accepted polish on the hull or foils.
 
David




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14/07/2017 10:16:26

David Rickard
Posts: 42
Hi SteveRooster
 
I am sure you already know the answer to this one :)  It cannot be used for a number of reasons.  First, it is an aditional fitting.  Second it is not replacing like for like etc etc
 
David




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10/07/2017 13:52:55

Gareth
Posts: 124
David,
Thanks for clarifying speed-six hydra-pro. That's what we needed a clear answer.
 
Gareth 




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10/07/2017 13:17:36

steverooster
Posts: 14
 
 
The image shows a cleat keeper.  Is this a legal addition - since it is not changing the form of the valley cleat - but they will effect when it works.  
 
The image also shows a cleat 'fairlead' .  I was proposing to add the keeper to make it easier to release the control line, I am also considering a fairlead.  Are one or both of these permitted?  
 
Cheers




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10/07/2017 12:43:01

David Rickard
Posts: 42
Hi Ben and Neil
 
I understand that SpeeedSix make  a few different products; one is a lubricant (called Sail) and one is a hull polish (called HydraPro).  I have spoken with SpeedSix and the polish seems to meet the general principles we have of being affordable, environmentaly friendly and generally commercially availble, with components consistent with it being a polish.  The lubricant cannot be applied to the hull or foils.
 
David




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10/07/2017 09:07:33

David Rickard
Posts: 42
Hi Jonathan
 
 Sorry but the loop (P) righting line will need to be changed.  It must be as shown in the Rigging Manuel.
 
David




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10/07/2017 09:04:37

David Rickard
Posts: 42
Hi Jonathan
 
The replacement mainsheet block must be the same size as the block it replaces eg 40mm for 40mm, wether or not you are replacing an ordinary block with a ratchet.
 
However, if you want to move the ratchet from the deck mount to the boom (and change it to a rope mount), while at the same time moving the 40mm boom block to where the ratchet was, I would think that would be OK.  You would still be using only 1 x57mm block (ratchet) and the remainder would be 40mm.  The 40mm block happily fits 8mm rope.
 
David
 
David




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10/07/2017 08:43:19

David Rickard
Posts: 42
Hi Nigel
 
From what I can tell from the pictures, Andy and Dan's arrangement looks legal.  He only attaches blocks using rope to existing fittings and only to tidy up the tails.  I would need to see the entire arrangment rigged to be sure.
 
David




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09/07/2017 17:54:14

nigelrolfe
Posts: 14
RE Control Lines A number of people have gone for above deck methods of using continuos control lines (as opposed to around the hull). Andy Hill has published on facebook -RS Aero page an image of a system he has used using blocks. is this configuration permitted under the rules as it does not appear to be adding purchase.
 
Andy Hill's RS Aero 
 
 
Dan Phillips has also published an image - ditto is this permitted under the interpretation of the rules?
 
Dan Phillips' RS Aero
 




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07/07/2017 10:42:54

Peter Barton
Posts: 2264
Neil,
You say 'your browser'. Lets be clear, that is not my browser.




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07/07/2017 00:30:25

BenRolfe
Posts: 11
Neil:

The grey logo on the home page is advertising all 3 SpeedSix products: Hydra Pro,  lubricant and the carbon shield! 




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07/07/2017 00:27:09

BenRolfe
Posts: 11
In Response again to Neil:

SpeedSix has multiple products the product you are referring to is the lubricant for the block on the deck, it is illegal to use this product on the hull and we are fully aware of that. All of the Black background logos are the original SpeedSix lubricant for the blocks in a spray bottle the grey logo is the logo for the HydraPro. 

The SpeedSix Hydra Pro however is not a lubricant and is far from it, the HydraPro is a hull coat: https://forge-group.com/collections/speed-six/products/speedsix-hydrapro


If you have any further questions about the product I suggest you email myself [email protected] and I can forward your message to the relevant person.




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06/07/2017 21:02:20

Neil
Posts: 26

hello Peter

I thought I cut/paste that paragraph from the "HydraPro how it works" section of this web page. http://www.speedsix.co.uk/what-is-speedsix 

Anyway its not a problem as I cannot find a paragraph on that web page with the same wording any more. May be I'm going mad!!!
 
But I'm not mad cos the tab at the top of your browser on that page still says "SpeedSix Sailing Lubricant HydraPRO hull coat" .  Did someone forgot to change that bit! 
 
Also the wording I originally quoted is tonight still on the websites below referring to speedSIX Dry Lubricant which they say is for use on hulls as well as other parts of the boat.  So is Dry Lubricant  the same as Speedsix Sail or Speedsix HydraPRO, or something entirely different. Or is this a renaming exersise as lubricants are banned from use on hulls in other classes as well as Aeros?  
 
So tomorrow I know I'm not going mad I've taken screen shots of the sites below that say the dry lubricant is a lubricant!  (As well as the text on the tab from the SpeedSIX web page quoted above.  
 
 
 
 
Sorry Peter but I really don't think I was quoting the wrong product.
 
 
 




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06/07/2017 16:08:54

Jonathan Rickels
Posts: 64
Mainsheet Blocks:
 
C6 Boat, C.6.1.3 Modifications, (n)
 
'Any mainsheet block may be replaced by a ratchet block of similar size' 
 
C.6.1.4 MAINTENANCE, (b)
 
'. .  following parts or equipement may be replaced using parts obtained from any supplier provided that . . . is a like for like basis being a similar size, does not alter the velocity ratio or purchase . . (rope sizes are shown in Annex 1 below but may be of any material):
(i) Blocks'
 
Could I have some clarification please?
 
I have replaced the boom Harken 40 mm  Carbo Block down sheet of the deck ratchet block with a soft attach Harken Carbo Ratchamatic; retaining the Harken 57 mm Carbo Ratchet on the deck.  This is as recommended in Harken's small carbo ratchamatic application guide.
 
This together with a mainsheet upgrade has totally transformed my confidence and ability to sail the Aero in strong gusty shifty winds.  I have yet to sail with the deck ratchet on in this set-up.
 
The ratchamatic size is 57mm, the block it replaced in the turning block chain is 40mm.  However the ratchet block whose function it replaces or enhances is 57 mm.  The size chosen was recommended as the better fit for the mainsheet upgrade in discussion with Pinnel & Bax; an authorised RS repairer, and no mean rigger and sailor; there is a 40 mm ratchamatic in the Harken range.
 
It may be that other blocks in the chain should be replaced with larger, over time.
 
The sheet was upgradedfrom 7mm non-twist to  8 mm as I find that easier to hold; I found myself losing grip on the 7mm at critical moments.  
 
Of the two I would say the 7 mm had a poorer flex response, the diameter at which effort lost in the bend rises sharply, than the 8mm.  And whilst it fitted the 40 mm sheave with good grip the 8mm does not seem to fit the 40mm sheeve as well; so ideally both would seem better suited to a larger diameter block.  Note: with no change of Velocity Ratio or Purchase.
 
As a general point I feel that it is somewhat contradictory to have these restrictions on mainsheet block size when within the range of sheet diameter permitted and recommended the choice of sheet: material, lay-up, cores, etc. is completely open.
 




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06/07/2017 14:56:34

Peter Barton
Posts: 2264
Neil, 
Like other similar manufacturers there are several products in a range.
Spray lubricants for hardware, blocks, tracks etc.
Polishing compounds for hulls. 
 
The Paragraph immediately after your quote goes on to say;
'It is designed to be a very thin lubricant which will penetrate and wick its way in to the ball race of all blocks, pulleys and sheaves'.
Suggesting that your quote refers to the hardware lubricant product. 




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06/07/2017 14:03:22

Jonathan Rickels
Posts: 64
Righting Lines:-
 
Hi David
 
Clas Rule:- C.6 BOAT, C.6.1.3 (j) permits the fitting of one single righting line each side 'as described in the RS Aero Rigging Manual'
 
I fitted mine, one each side, before the class rules were amended.   They use a P Bracket installed behind the after under gunwale barrel, but are simple short loops of rope with the ends overlapped & whipped to the opposite with a larger cover attached to provide a better hand grip.  
Their length is such that they are just clear of the water when the boat is upright, and original diameter such that they can rotate through the P Bracket sufficient to minimise drag.  
I find them very useful.  Port side one shown.
 
 
 Do I have to change them?




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06/07/2017 09:31:33

Neil
Posts: 26

Re dric's reply to Jamsc and Julius

"If the product says it is a lubricant then it is not allowed."
 
Following paragraph taken from SpeedSIX website - note last 3 words!

"SpeedSix's chemistry makes it super-hydrophobic and resistant to acids and salts found in salt water and the marine environment, it therefore protects all the surfaces it is applied to as well as lubricating them."

I find it really strange that the main product from a company that sponsors RS Aero events (inc Youth Nationals this year)  is not allowed to be used on the boats.  Guess a lot of folk will now be having to remove SpeedSIX from their hulls!  




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05/07/2017 17:33:05

David Rickard
Posts: 42
Hi Peter
 
yes the control lines can be shortened.  C.6.1.4 (b) permits you to replace the lines and the lengths are only recommended.  C.6.1.3(o) permits you to relead them but restricts what you can do.  You cannot remove fittings and only attach to existing fittings.




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05/07/2017 17:26:39

David Rickard
Posts: 42
Hi Jamsc and Julius
 
We have not listed commercial products yet.  However, if you use a generally commercially available marine polishing compound then we would not see a problem, unless it is harmful to the environment. As someone commented on the forum - any polish that is not "The Green Blue" sustainable environment certified would breech the environmental policy which RS Aero class adhere to.
Remember the onus is on you, so be prepared to produce the bottle if asked.  If the product says it is a lubricant then it is not allowed.
 




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05/07/2017 16:43:43

Peter Barton
Posts: 2264
posted by Peter Townend, Chelmarsh;
'Re-leading Cunningham and Outhaul Tails
So you can re-lead but as I read it not shorten the original length of the cunningham and outhauls please can you confirm that shortening the original as supplied leads is not allowed or allowed.'
 
I have unofficially replied;
'See C.6.1.4 (b) (v) + Annex1. You can change the ropes. Lengths are recommended, thus flexible.'
But it would be good to get David's confirmation, please. 




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05/07/2017 04:56:50

Julius
Posts: 7
Hi David,
It seems I've referred to the wrong compound. I would like to ask about the legality below the waterline of Speedsix "Hydra Pro," which is a "wax coating" that creates a superhydrophobic surface to reduce friction without direct use of a lubricating agent.
Cheers




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04/07/2017 11:25:18

charlesc
Posts: 4
Are there any polishes/wax that are allowed?
 
In Section A it says"Polish
Application of small quantities of permitted polishing compounds (as published
on the ICA website from time to time) on the hull, foils and rig of the Boat in
order to reduce the surface roughness"
 
Where is this list? Presumably there is some compound from the building process which would be allowable
 
Thanks in advance




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04/07/2017 09:45:37

David Rickard
Posts: 42
Hi Freddy
 
 I have not had this problem, but I suggest:
(i) make sure that the fluff/brushing is wet before you insert the centreboard.  If it is still too stiff, then
(ii) get a very sharp knife and carefully, gradually and evenly trim the fluff/brushing on both sides to shorten it.  Make sure you only do a little bit each side and check the fit regulalrly (with it wet) as you go.  You don't want to take too much off
 
David
 




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04/07/2017 09:40:39

David Rickard
Posts: 42
Hi Luke
 
Re Main halyard, see Annex 1 for minimum
 
David




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04/07/2017 09:38:23

David Rickard
Posts: 42
Hi Gareth
 
 The onus is on you as the sailor to ensure that your boat is fully compliant with the Class Rules.  Lubricants can be removed with solvents.  If in doubt, clean it off.
 
The basic principle of the class is that all boats are equal; it is a test of the sailor.  If you are applying something to get an advantage then question whether it is legal.
 
David




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04/07/2017 00:37:52

Freddy
Posts: 1
On the Polish front, I have hull 1188. I have HAD to use a lubricant polish for the top of the centreboard otherwise it will not move easily up and down in the case while sailing - no matter how much I clean out the brushing.
 
If there is some solution other than polish for this issue I would be happy to be advised.
 
 
 




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03/07/2017 11:04:40

Luke Morrison
Posts: 6
Hi David,
 
Thank you re the Sail Numbers - That is clear. (Although I would point out that preformed 300mm sail numbers are internationally recognised throughout many classes and commonly seen as the main type of sail number style in many ISAF covered events, perhaps something for consideration in the future) - Yes you are right that if they are all the same style, that does look much better.
 
I confused the issue regarding Mainsheet. I meant "Main Halyard" - So again my question is that I assume so long as the main halyard is 1:1 and used in the correct fashion it does not matter what type/style/thickness of line is used. Please confirm.
 
Thanks for your time in replying
Cheers
Luke  




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03/07/2017 10:52:29

Gareth
Posts: 124
So we all agree you cannot use lubricant on hull and foils. WHAT HAPPENS IF SOMEONE HAS? How long ago? Is there a procedure to remove it? What is the test for its presence?

This seems insufficiently thought through.




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03/07/2017 10:38:16

David Rickard
Posts: 42
Hi Mike Orea
 
 Yes, C.9.3 requires that the vang line must be fed through the pulley in the gooseneck unless you use the extra block permitted by C.6.1.3 (p) which permits the vang line to be led through a pulley not exceeding 20mm diam tied around and hung next to the gooseneck pulley. 
 
David




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03/07/2017 10:29:57

David Rickard
Posts: 42
Hi Luke
 
 The Numbers must be the same as those supplied by RS; the same size, font, shape and style.  The idea is to keep a uniformity so that as a fleet we all look good rather than having lots of odd looking numbers.  It also ensure that the numbers meet the requirements of World Sailing.
 
Re mainsheet, CRule C.6.1.1 is clear.  The mainsheet must be rigged the same as shown in the Rigging Mannuel.  Also, it cannot be tapered.
 
David




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03/07/2017 10:24:25

David Rickard
Posts: 42
Hi Julius
 
CRule C.6.1.3(b) is pretty clear on this.  You cannot use lubricant on the hull or foils.
 
David




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03/07/2017 10:20:20

David Rickard
Posts: 42
Hi SteveRooster
 
 The Toe strap must be supplied by RS as "original equipment".  They have just released a strap with longer adjusters for those who have not been able to make the old strap long enough.
 
David




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03/07/2017 10:18:10

David Rickard
Posts: 42
Hi James C
 
This applies at any event where the Aero Class rules apply.
 
An easier solution may be to get a set of Knee pads.  Many of the sailing clothing manufacturers supply these
 
David




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02/07/2017 18:03:58

Mike0rea
Posts: 30
Correct the spelling of manuel Manual, see (b)(i). Also I take this to mean the kicker must be fed via the pulley in the gooseneck, although an external pulley may be attached to it , provided the diameter does not exceed  20 mm.
 
pastingC.9.3 RUNNING RIGGING
(a) MODIFICATIONS, MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR
The total purchase ratio in each of the control line systems shall not exceed: vang –16:1, cunningham – 8:1 outhaul – 4:1. The mainsheet shall be uniform diameter throughout its length. The traveller shall be a single non-tapered line which will allow the traveller block to move from one side to the other. The traveller rope shall not extend more than 250mm above the deck at its highest part.
(b) USE
(i) Save as permitted in C.6.1.3, running rigging shall be led through and attached to the fittings supplied for the function as shown in the Rigging Manuel.
(ii) The crew may control the mainsheet from any of the turning blocks in the mainsheet system. 




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01/07/2017 20:07:44

Luke Morrison
Posts: 6
Good Evening All, 
 
I am having a read of the rules this evening for a couple of very specific items and some further clarification would be great:
 
C.10.4 (a) (ii) - Indicates that you must use the same size and style as original supplied. (In relation to sail numbers)  - In my case I am referring a 9 rig where 300mm sized numbers should be used. 
 
 My question: Can either Digital 8's OR Preformed 300mm numbers be used. Therefore my confusion is over what you mean by "Style".
 
Common sense would tell me that 300mm preformed can be used?
 
 Secondly: regarding mainsheet. I think I read correctly that so long as you use a 1:1 line all is good in this regard. The standard set-up is interesting and want to replace it with a better option. 
 
Cheers
Luke 
 
 




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27/06/2017 15:28:24

Gareth
Posts: 124
Let's be very specific. Is it legal to polish the hull with SpeedSix?  My reading of the rules says no but not knowing exact;y what's in speedsix I'm looking for a definitive ruling BEFORE the worlds.




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27/06/2017 14:42:33

steverooster
Posts: 14
I was under the impression that we could change the toe strap.  Perhaps I read an old set of rules?  Are we restricted to the toe strap that is supplied?  
Cheers
 
Steve  




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27/06/2017 12:48:31

James C
Posts: 6
C 1.3.(f)  - Would this apply at any time? - Or just during an event?  Thanks for the clarification :)
 
 




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27/06/2017 08:18:00

David Rickard
Posts: 42
Hi Paul
 
Hope you are getting some good sailing.  Remeber - because the Aero is a strict one design class, you cannot change anything from what is supplied by RS unless the rules say you can.  The relevent sections for most changes you might want to make are C.6.1.3 and C.6.1.4.  These do not permit padding.  Sorry
 




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25/06/2017 15:58:16

Peter Barton
Posts: 2264
Question from Paul Gingras, Florida;
'This is a question for David Rickard, our measurement officer. Can a padding material, such as Raptor Deck, be applied to the floor of the cockpit to reduce the abrasion on a skipper's knees?'




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24/06/2017 17:00:43

Peter Barton
Posts: 2264
Hi Julius, 
I can comment on your first query;
 
C.1.1(c) 'relaxation of RRS 42' rule was not in the original class rules. 
It is only possible for the Race Committee to envoke this rule if it is stipulated in the SIs and only then if over 8kn wind and also only then if they choose to.
 
The SIs at the upcoming Worlds will not allow this possibility, nor is it likely that any major event this year will.
 
One benefit of this rule that it enables the Class to save money with reduced Juries at major champs, which is a large expense. It will be interesting to put this rule to the test at an appropriate event in due course.
 
I will leave it to David Rickard to answer your second query (is it a query?).
Peter Barton 




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23/06/2017 19:11:41

Julius
Posts: 7
pasting C1.1(c) RRS 42.3 is changed by adding: “Where stipulated in the SI, if the
average wind speed is clearly over 8 knots across the course the
race committee may signal in accordance with RRS Appendix P5
that pumping, rocking and ooching are permitted, except (i) prior to
the start, and (ii) when the boat is on a leg of the course
designated in the SI as a windward leg.” this changes RRS
42.2(a), RRS 42.2(b), RRS 42.2(c).
 
Has this rule always been around or is it new in this edition of the rules?
 
 
pasting Lubricant on fittings, mast join, mast collar, gooseneck, gooseneck
pulleys, boom end (to enable the clew strap to slide more easily); boom
end pulley, mast track, and sail (only in the direct vicinity of the tell-tales)
only; it shall not be used on the hull or hull appendages.  
 
I don't think our chairman will like this one ;)
 




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23/06/2017 18:26:18

Peter Barton
Posts: 2264
RS AERO CLASS RULES 
The latest version of our World Sailing Class Association Class Rules are out and uploaded to the documents page of the class website.
 
Many thanks to our Chairman of the Technical Committee, David Rickard, who has spent much time and expertise progressing these with World Sailing (ISAF) over the past two years!
 
Please do take the trouble to have a good check through and ensure that you comply, especially with all the major regattas coming up. 
 
The latest RS Aero Class Rules can be found here; 
 
Please post any queries as a reply to this forum thread for David to answer.




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